Comments on: YES, I AM ALIVE AND SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE GOP CONVENTION http://www.kirbytalk.com/2010/06/yes-i-am-alive-and-some-thoughts-on-the-state-gop-convention/ Standing for faith, family, flag and freedom. Mon, 01 Nov 2010 00:31:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Tolli http://www.kirbytalk.com/2010/06/yes-i-am-alive-and-some-thoughts-on-the-state-gop-convention/comment-page-1/#comment-2073 Tolli Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:47:07 +0000 http://www.kirbytalk.com/?p=566#comment-2073 Good points Kirby, I agree something needs to be done so we can actually have more time debating the platform & resolutions and less time wasted on speeches and on dilatory moves to pass the entire platform without any debate. Good points Kirby, I agree something needs to be done so we can actually have more time debating the platform & resolutions and less time wasted on speeches and on dilatory moves to pass the entire platform without any debate.

]]> By: dan http://www.kirbytalk.com/2010/06/yes-i-am-alive-and-some-thoughts-on-the-state-gop-convention/comment-page-1/#comment-2072 dan Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:24:45 +0000 http://www.kirbytalk.com/?p=566#comment-2072 Kirby, Loved your statement about the Senate candidates, "All three are great guys and each brings something different to the campaign. We are blessed as a party to have all three." Too bad some Conservative Republicans and Libertarians are dumping-on-Dino, when the focus should be pounding-on-Patty. Kirby,
Loved your statement about the Senate candidates, “All three are great guys and each brings something different to the campaign. We are blessed as a party to have all three.”
Too bad some Conservative Republicans and Libertarians are dumping-on-Dino, when the focus should be pounding-on-Patty.

]]> By: Stevie http://www.kirbytalk.com/2010/06/yes-i-am-alive-and-some-thoughts-on-the-state-gop-convention/comment-page-1/#comment-2070 Stevie Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:23:51 +0000 http://www.kirbytalk.com/?p=566#comment-2070 You are awesome! Thanks for the info. I would like to learn more about taking convention classes. I have never been to a convention and would love the opportunity. You are awesome! Thanks for the info. I would like to learn more about taking convention classes. I have never been to a convention and would love the opportunity.

]]> By: Shannon http://www.kirbytalk.com/2010/06/yes-i-am-alive-and-some-thoughts-on-the-state-gop-convention/comment-page-1/#comment-2069 Shannon Wed, 16 Jun 2010 06:36:59 +0000 http://www.kirbytalk.com/?p=566#comment-2069 I'm glad for the report on the convention. It's interesting how the 'little' procedural things can mean so much to how well the convention runs and how people come out feeling about it. I especially like #2, the idea of requiring more than one or two people supporting an amendment to get it heard. Nothing's as demoralizing to a newbie than to come to their first convention and find that parts of it seem to be dominated by people obsessed with minutiae. I’m glad for the report on the convention. It’s interesting how the ‘little’ procedural things can mean so much to how well the convention runs and how people come out feeling about it. I especially like #2, the idea of requiring more than one or two people supporting an amendment to get it heard. Nothing’s as demoralizing to a newbie than to come to their first convention and find that parts of it seem to be dominated by people obsessed with minutiae.

]]> By: Jim Palmer http://www.kirbytalk.com/2010/06/yes-i-am-alive-and-some-thoughts-on-the-state-gop-convention/comment-page-1/#comment-2068 Jim Palmer Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:55:33 +0000 http://www.kirbytalk.com/?p=566#comment-2068 Its really a shame that hardley anyone knows Kirby is even still around. How quickly we forget. Its really a shame that hardley anyone knows Kirby is even still around. How quickly we forget.

]]> By: Ravi Pope http://www.kirbytalk.com/2010/06/yes-i-am-alive-and-some-thoughts-on-the-state-gop-convention/comment-page-1/#comment-2067 Ravi Pope Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:03:16 +0000 http://www.kirbytalk.com/?p=566#comment-2067 Kirby, Thanks for the suggested changes. I think some are appropriate, especially the availability of the platform (and the rules, please) prior to the opening gavel. However, you might want to know that it is unlawful for the standing rules to be permanent rules. RCW's state that the delegates determine the rules. That was woefully lacking this year. In fact, it is quite possible to state that the delegates did absolutely nothing original. If they had never convened the meeting, but merely accepted the rules, platform and selected resolutions by the powers that be, there would have been absolutely nothing different. Yes, it was a fairly good platform, but that is a far cry from a real debate. There was so little real debate, everybody was wrapped up into the motions. Incidentally, you might also be interested to note that prior to your confirmation, Luke Esser misapplied the rules in regards to the amendment of the rules. It might seem minor, but it meant that the mood was set from the very first amendment motion on the rules. Thanks for giving the delegates a good show. PS. Next time, it would save a whole lot of time if you wouldn't go out of your way to suggest a delegate appeal the ruling of the chair. (Which, I might add should always be phrased, "Shall the ruling of the chairman be sustained?") RP Kirby,
Thanks for the suggested changes. I think some are appropriate, especially the availability of the platform (and the rules, please) prior to the opening gavel.

However, you might want to know that it is unlawful for the standing rules to be permanent rules. RCW’s state that the delegates determine the rules. That was woefully lacking this year.

In fact, it is quite possible to state that the delegates did absolutely nothing original. If they had never convened the meeting, but merely accepted the rules, platform and selected resolutions by the powers that be, there would have been absolutely nothing different. Yes, it was a fairly good platform, but that is a far cry from a real debate. There was so little real debate, everybody was wrapped up into the motions.

Incidentally, you might also be interested to note that prior to your confirmation, Luke Esser misapplied the rules in regards to the amendment of the rules. It might seem minor, but it meant that the mood was set from the very first amendment motion on the rules.

Thanks for giving the delegates a good show.
PS. Next time, it would save a whole lot of time if you wouldn’t go out of your way to suggest a delegate appeal the ruling of the chair. (Which, I might add should always be phrased, “Shall the ruling of the chairman be sustained?”)

RP

]]> By: The Seattle Republican http://www.kirbytalk.com/2010/06/yes-i-am-alive-and-some-thoughts-on-the-state-gop-convention/comment-page-1/#comment-2066 The Seattle Republican Tue, 15 Jun 2010 03:05:41 +0000 http://www.kirbytalk.com/?p=566#comment-2066 Great job this weekend! I think you could go much farther with the platform availability though. A preliminary draft should be available online ten weeks before the convention. Feedback should be solicited and proposals voted on online by delegates somewhat in the manner of YouCut. Delegates could be polled using SurveyMonkey. In general, access should be given and feedback honestly solicited and incorporated in the weeks leading up to the convention. However, once we get to the convention, it should be a straight up or down vote. There just isn't time in a weekend (or a week, honestly) to redraft a platform and let 1,200 people debate it. It can only be done online through surveys and messages and by aggregating the feedback in advance. Great job this weekend!

I think you could go much farther with the platform availability though. A preliminary draft should be available online ten weeks before the convention. Feedback should be solicited and proposals voted on online by delegates somewhat in the manner of YouCut. Delegates could be polled using SurveyMonkey.

In general, access should be given and feedback honestly solicited and incorporated in the weeks leading up to the convention. However, once we get to the convention, it should be a straight up or down vote. There just isn’t time in a weekend (or a week, honestly) to redraft a platform and let 1,200 people debate it. It can only be done online through surveys and messages and by aggregating the feedback in advance.

]]> By: danny white http://www.kirbytalk.com/2010/06/yes-i-am-alive-and-some-thoughts-on-the-state-gop-convention/comment-page-1/#comment-2063 danny white Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:26:32 +0000 http://www.kirbytalk.com/?p=566#comment-2063 hi kirby, i agree with the above mentioned strategy. an info workshop for new folks is a great way to inform and help people feel welcome. we can all be on the same page and still hold on to our independence. with this present administration the gop will have a great oppurtunity to "run the table" leaving the "8 ball" for the dems to drop. kirby i have been quietly listening to you and yours since you started on kvi with john, rush, mike,and yourself. allways conservative danny hi kirby, i agree with the above mentioned strategy. an info workshop for new folks is a great way to inform and help people feel welcome.
we can all be on the same page and still hold on to our independence. with this present administration the gop will have a great oppurtunity to “run the table” leaving the “8 ball” for the dems to drop. kirby i have been quietly listening to you and yours since you started on kvi with john, rush, mike,and yourself. allways conservative danny

]]> By: RD Mandery http://www.kirbytalk.com/2010/06/yes-i-am-alive-and-some-thoughts-on-the-state-gop-convention/comment-page-1/#comment-2062 RD Mandery Tue, 15 Jun 2010 01:54:07 +0000 http://www.kirbytalk.com/?p=566#comment-2062 Kirby, Good to finally hear from you! Was beginning to worry. Good to see that the Dems have some new blood coming up. Mr. Greene is opposing Jim Demint. Mr. Greene no doubt represents the "new order" of gthe left wingers and we need to find more of these "grass root dems" to run againt other conservatives! RDM Kirby,

Good to finally hear from you! Was beginning to worry. Good to see that the Dems have some new blood coming up. Mr. Greene is opposing Jim Demint. Mr. Greene no doubt represents the “new order” of gthe left wingers and we need to find more of these “grass root dems” to run againt other conservatives!

RDM

]]> By: Dave Burrows http://www.kirbytalk.com/2010/06/yes-i-am-alive-and-some-thoughts-on-the-state-gop-convention/comment-page-1/#comment-2061 Dave Burrows Tue, 15 Jun 2010 01:43:35 +0000 http://www.kirbytalk.com/?p=566#comment-2061 Good job. I would suggest that platform committees meet early and have it resolved before the convention. Your are right, the rules need to be standardized for every year pending written modifications, additons or deletions submitted well in advance and agreed to by at least ten delegates from the previous year prior to submittal to the convention. Thanks for all you do. Good job. I would suggest that platform committees meet early and have it resolved before the convention. Your are right, the rules need to be standardized for every year pending written modifications, additons or deletions submitted well in advance and agreed to by at least ten delegates from the previous year prior to submittal to the convention. Thanks for all you do.

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